龍井樹
2007/3/26 16:53 
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匿名
2007/3/26 17:00 
只要解決 "很好, 很有美德" 是用那一把尺界定, 而且問小說中牧師所信奉的神會用那把尺量度就行~
龍井樹
2007/3/26 17:06 
原帖由 Guest from 219.76.240.x 於 2007-3-26 17:00 發表
只要解決 "很好, 很有美德" 是用那一把尺界定, 而且問小說中牧師所信奉的神會用那把尺量度就行~

現在不是一把尺的問題,而係兩把:
一是"很好、很有美德";一是"相信上帝"。
Paul
2007/3/26 18:10 
善惡怎樣定義?

1. 按某哲人說 : 按希臘語字源, 善惡的分野是貴族與賤民的分野...

2. 聖經中, 罪(Sin)希伯來語詞義是"不達紅芯", 即是射不中神的義的紅芯, 不達神的義(標準)

3. 自明 - 人人都有良知, 就算與世隔絶的 泰山 都會知道善惡?



"很好、很有美德" 在基督教信仰不是大晒... 因為那個好和那個美德的標準是你自己的、民族的、宗教的標準, 並不是基督教所說的神的標準
Step.King
2007/3/26 21:04 
原帖由 龍井樹 於 2007-3-26 17:06 發表

現在不是一把尺的問題,而係兩把:
一是"很好、很有美德";一是"相信上帝"。


我離教後 凡有基督徒問我為什麼不再番教會
我都會回答他們: 神的恩典並不只是在教會的!

其實正正就是這一種處境  宗教是導人向善的話
就不會在乎你是否相信他的存在  只要活好每一天 問心無愧
我們所處的就根本是一個天堂



不過話分兩頭  看完龍井樹兄的文章  我開始有點明白為什麼教會不停叫d 賭徒、癮君子同埋性工作信主
係唔係因為天堂缺乏左呢一類"專業"人才  令到天堂太悶呀?

[ 本帖最後由 Step.King 於 2007-3-26 21:06 編輯 ]
dye
2007/3/27 09:40 
<<宗教是導人向善>>

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還有一些多國研究顯示 (1990-2000):(比之前智力那些說服力弱)

宗教熱誠和謀殺率有正比(宗教愈熱誠,愈多謀殺)

宗教熱誠和性病,ABORTION有正比(宗教愈熱誠,愈多人有性病、ABORTION)

宗教熱誠和壽命長度有反比(宗教愈熱誠,愈短命)

宗教熱誠和五歲前小童夭折有強烈正比(宗教愈熱誠,愈多小童夭折)

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注:比例只是實况(現况),我們不知是「宗教令人犯罪」,「因犯罪所以信宗教」,還是「有第三因素同時使人信教和犯罪」
dye
2007/3/27 09:45 
<<神的標準>>

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

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<<21 Century 人的標準>>  UN declaration of Human Rights

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.


Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

[ 本帖最後由 dye 於 2007-3-27 09:58 編輯 ]
Step.King
2007/3/27 12:00 
原帖由 dye 於 2007-3-27 09:40 發表


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還有一些多國研究顯示 (1990-2000):(比之前智力那些說服力弱)

宗教熱誠和謀殺率有正比(宗教愈熱誠,愈多謀殺)

宗教熱誠和性病,ABORTION有正比(宗教愈熱誠,愈多人有性病、ABORTION)

宗教熱誠和壽命長 ...


但邪教卻是厚顏無恥